Updated: Apr 10
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the author of two books. "American Values: Lessons I Learned from My Family," published in 2018, describes the Kennedys' 60-year-long fight with the CIA.
His 2021 book, "The Real Anthony Fauci," became a runaway best seller, selling over a million copies, despite unprecedented censorship. In this interview, Kennedy, an attorney, reviews some of the lawsuits filed by Children's Health Defense (CHD), founded by Kennedy in 2018 (was World Mercury Project in 2016), and why he believes he can "drain the swamp" and clean up our federal agencies if elected president of the United States.
The Trusted News Initiative Lawsuit
One of the most recent lawsuits is the antitrust lawsuit against the Trusted News Initiative (TNI). I and several other journalists and news organizations that have been censored during the pandemic are also plaintiffs in this lawsuit. As explained by Kennedy:
"The Trusted News Initiative lawsuit applies antitrust laws against this really shocking agreement made at the onset of the pandemic, initiated by the BBC.
The BBC … is not officially a government agency. It's a government-supported network that is supposed to have walls between itself and the government, but recent scandals in Britain have exposed how closely the BBC works with the British Intelligence Agency, MI5, particularly in censoring information on certain subjects, including public health.
This is now well-established. We don't know how much the British Intelligence Agency had to do with kicking off the TNI, but the BBC approached a dozen top news organizations in the United States, including The New York Times and The Washington Post … and the social media networks … proposing they all censor information that did not comport with government proclamations during the pandemic."
Importantly, a memorandum by the BBC states that independent news sites are "existential competitors" and a threat to the mainstream media business model and must be crushed.
Eliminating "competition" (which we're not) was the entire purpose behind TNI, so the basis for the lawsuit is that TNI is violating the Sherman Antitrust Act. As explained by Kennedy, the BBC is using its market power and illegal collaboration with other leading market actors to crush smaller competitors.
First Amendment Cases
The CHD has also filed a number of First Amendment cases, including one against Facebook, which censored the CHD and many other sites. Now, Facebook, as a private company, has the right to censor anyone it wants, for any reason.
However, they CANNOT do it at the behest of the government. If they become government surrogates for censorship — which is what they've become — then the First Amendment, the right to free speech, is implicated.
"What we've said is that they were taking orders from government officials," Kennedy says. "When we filed the lawsuit, we knew that was happening, but we did not have the positive proof. Now we do. We have internal memos that show Anthony Fauci collaborating on the censorship with Mark Zuckerberg.
And we now know that Twitter had offered a portal to the FBI and CIA to censor people who did not go along with the government narrative, and that they were aggressively using it. We found emails where the White House specifically asks Twitter to censor Robert Kennedy. So, we have a number of those lawsuits out there."
We're Fighting an Uphill Battle
The censorship has caused many of us in independent, alternative media to lose huge amounts of money as we can no longer reach our audiences. And while Kennedy hopes to be able to recover some of these lost revenues, that alone will not effect change.
While the U.S. government and mainstream media are clearly engaged in illegal activity, there's really no penalty for it unless you sue them, and even if you win, the punitive damages are not going to be severe enough to force a change in behavior. At best, lawsuits bring public attention to the problem and cause embarrassment, which might curtail it somewhat.
Twitter Files Reveal the Breadth of the Illegal Collusion
On the upside, we now know a lot about how they operate because of the Twitter files, released by Elon Musk. As noted by Kennedy, it's far worse than any of us initially suspected. For example, the FBI has a portal into social media that allows it to remove posts and accounts it doesn't like.
"That is scary. That is against everything our country was founded on," Kennedy says. "The single most important premise was that citizens ought to be able to criticize government, which was not true for the American revolutionary generation. You could be punished for criticizing the king.
And they said, we don't want that anymore. We're going to have free speech for all. We're going to make sure that there's a ferment, that there is a million different ideas bouncing around. And 'misinformation,' for better or worse, is constitutionally protected speech.
There are forms of speech that are not constitutionally protected. Inciting violence is not constitutionally protected. Child pornography is not constitutionally protected … But telling a lie to somebody is. It has to be that way because once you appoint an arbiter to tell what's true and what's not true, you'll end up getting one version of truth, and it ultimately will not be the true one."
Many Were Paid to Lie
Indeed, if the last three years have taught us anything, it's that self-appointed "arbiters of truth" get it wrong most, if not all, of the time. And, as noted by Kennedy, the crime is not being wrong. The crime is censoring anybody who disagrees, so people never even have the opportunity to discover the error, including themselves (if ignorance is in fact the case).
"In May 2020, I published a post that said the vaccines are going to be DOA, they're dead on arrival, because the monkey studies just came out and they don't prevent transmission," Kennedy says. "This was before the rollout.
I was like, 'We were looking at their own monkey studies and the concentrations of COVID-19 viruses or SARS-CoV-2 viral loading in the nasopharynxes of the macaque monkeys that they had vaccinated was identical to the loading in the unvaccinated monkeys once they were exposed to the disease.'
So, they knew at that time that this vaccine could not prevent transmission. Everybody knew that. And yet they were saying out loud, 'It can prevent transmission.' They had no right, no reason, to say that other than to fool the public.
And then they were censoring people like me who were saying, 'Wait a minute, how's this possible? How can you possibly make this claim? Of course it's not going to prevent transmission.' So, the crime is not being wrong. Anybody can be wrong. The crime is censoring people who were right or who had alternative viewpoints that prevented them from ever getting anything right.
Listen, if I had to predict what's going to happen now, it's very clear, this isn't a speculation. The Biden administration is trying to give the WHO [World Health Organization] these preemptive powers to declare future pandemics based upon no evidence. So, all they have to say is there's a pandemic …
And when you declare a pandemic, not only does it give the government extraordinary powers, it gives the pharmaceutical industry immunity from liability. It gives doctors immunity from liability, which is accompanied, of course, by impunity and bad judgment. It also loosens up billions of dollars in subsidies and cash to promote the business models of those pharmaceutical companies.
At least now, we have an independent power to say, 'We don't believe WHO and we're not going to go along with this global emergency.' Right now we're about to sign a treaty that will give that power to the WHO. So Jeremy Farrar, who was one of the masterminds of this PSYOP — he was the guy who hid the COVID coverup. He manipulated the Lancet studies. He directed all these virologists who believed that it came from a lab… to say that it didn't.
Because of the control he has over the funding of virology and infectious disease, and biomedical research globally, he was able to marshal these core groups of virologists who just lied to us openly. And then they all got payoffs from Fauci.
Kristian Andersen, Ph.D., got $9 million after he lied to us. Eddie Holmes got $9 million to lie. All the guys who participated in the Lancet paper and the Nature Medicine papers — the ones that were then cited by all of the journalists in the world to say it's been proven there's no such thing as a lab leak — we now have their emails.
And all those guys believed it was a lab leak, secretly, privately … but they were telling the public it wasn't. And they all got payoffs of millions and millions of dollars."
No Evidence to Support Childhood Vaccination Schedule
As noted by Kennedy, the entire field of virology is basically operating as a criminal enterprise. They never have to prove anything and they're never accountable. For example, they don't have to prove that vaccines actually work, or that it's safe to take multiple vaccines at the same time.
"By 'work,' I mean five years from now, you're more likely to be healthier if you got the vaccine than if you didn't. If you show me that, I'll take all the vaccines in the world," Kennedy says. "But there are no studies that support that, and they're able to escape the standard safety testing, placebo-controlled trials, prelicensure trials that are de rigueur for every other medicine except for vaccines."
Seventy-two doses of 16 vaccines are now recommended for American children by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. States have the right to mandate them as they see fit, and in California and New York, all 16 vaccines are mandated. But whether they're mandated or not, there's tremendous pressure to take them all.
In California and New York, you can't even get a medical exemption. Technically, both states allow medical exemptions, but no doctor will write you one because they risk losing their medical license if they do.
"They're mandating these 72 doses of 16 vaccines, and they've never tested a single one … in a placebo-controlled study. They have no idea what the risk profile is for these medicines and they're mandating them to healthy people …
You're taking healthy people with functioning immune systems and you're forcing them to take something that you don't know what the outcomes of are. It is criminal," Kennedy says.
Will We See Kennedy in the Presidential Race?
Kennedy recently announced he's considering entering the presidential race if he can garner enough support. Considering two members of the Kennedy family have already been murdered, this requires quite a bit of courage. Clearly, there are risks involved anytime you try to change a corrupt system from within. Kennedy comments:
"I haven't made the decision yet, but I'm leaning towards doing it. It's going to give me an opportunity, as it makes it much more difficult for them to censor me, [to] talk about all these issues for the first time without censorship and connect them.
I've been an environmental attorney and advocate for 40 years, and I saw the impact of agency capture. That's why I was able to recognize it so easily when I saw it in the pharmaceutical industry. All these agencies are captured. The pharmaceutical industry owns the National Institutes of Health … CDC, FDA. The coal and oil industry and the pesticide industry own the Environmental Protection Agency.
I was on the trial team in the Monsanto case, which ended up with a $13 billion settlement. We had three trials in a row … [and] we did a lot of discovery. We were able to find secret EPA papers that showed the head of the EPA pesticide division for a decade was a man who was secretly working for Monsanto.
So Monsanto was actually directing his movements. In one of the emails we found, Monsanto instructed him to kill a study that was being done by another agency, the Agency for Toxic Substance Control, ATSDR. It's a smaller agency that focuses just on toxins that's separate from EPA.
He'd always been able to control the EPA studies and to fix them. But now here's another agency that Monsanto has no control over that's actually going to do an independent study on the carcinogenicity of Roundup and glyphosate.
They were desperate to kill that study and he said, 'I'm going to kill that study for you, but you need to give me a gold medal when I do that.' So, these were the kind of correspondence he had with his true boss, Monsanto. And this, unfortunately, is true in all the federal agencies."
Democracy Has Been Subverted
As noted by Kennedy, most government agencies have been captured by the industries they're supposed to regulate, and as a result, democracy has been subverted, as they're no longer working for the American people. They're working for big corporations that are constantly putting profit above safety.
"There's now a perfect merger of state and corporate power in this country," Kennedy says, "and the system is rigged against the middle class and the poor. And by the way, among the captured agencies are the CIA and the Pentagon, which have been captured by military contractors, and they don't care how much the Ukraine war costs us.
Nobody cares because they're killing Ukrainians, not American kids. So it's the perfect war for them. And we ship over $112 billion and who gets that? It bounces. A lot of it goes into Zelenskyy's pocket and then it's bounced back to General Dynamics and all the military contractors. They then hire all the generals when they leave the Pentagon.
Those are the generals you see on CNN every night, gravely saying we need to defend the people of Ukraine. But they're working for General Dynamic, stuffing their pockets with the money we're sending over there. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be helping the Ukrainian people or that Vladimir Putin isn't a thug and a gangster …
But we need to understand that we have intelligence agencies and military agencies whose job it is … to destroy American democracy from within. And that those agencies, their job is to provide a constant pipeline of new wars that are going to feed the military industrial complex which owns them.
Look, we gave a $112 billion to Ukraine already. The entire budget of CDC is $12 billion. The entire budget of EPA I think is around $11 billion. And we have a crisis in this country. We have a child health crisis — 54% of our children have chronic disease and we don't know what's causing it.
We have kids going to dilapidated schools. Our infrastructure is falling apart. We have a middle class in this country has been hollowed out and destroyed and we need to start paying attention to these problems here at home and solving them."
DOT — Another Example of a Captured Agency
The toxic train wreck in East Palestine, Ohio, is another example of what happens when regulatory agencies are captured. According to Kennedy, Norfolk Southern Railway has a weekly revenue of $1.5 billion, and its cap for safety violations is $225,000. So, there's no incentive for the railway to make sure safety regulations are followed.
Its lackadaisical approach to safety has now contaminated an entire region and destroyed the lives of several hundred residents, yet the penalty is barely a drop in their revenue bucket. And again, the reason they're getting away with this is because the Department of Transportation (DOT) is wholly captured by the big railroad companies.
"I like Pete [Buttigieg], but he's not a guy who looks at that agency and says, 'I know it's a captured agency and I'm going to weed out the people who are corrupt, I'm going to make the trains run on time, I'm going to make sure they have two engineers and I'm going to make sure they're using electronic controlled brakes and not the brakes they used in the civil war' — which is what was on this train …
Why is that? Because [the DOT is] a captured agency. The electronic brakes would've cost $3 billion to put on their entire fleet. That is two weeks of revenue for that company, but they rather spent the money on lobbyists, make sure they didn't have to do that, and then they took the cash and did a stock buyback.
So, they all are getting rich and the people in East Palestine are now drinking poisoned water, their cats are dying, their cows are dying and their children are now exposed to dioxin. A single molecule of dioxin can cause cancer. It is the most toxic molecule that we know of in the universe that's not radioactive. It's horrendously toxic, and it's now spread over the landscape …"
Why Kennedy Believes He Can Root Out the Corruption
As explained by Kennedy, politicians may start out believing their own campaign promise to end corruption but, in the end, they simply don't know how to fix the problem. They don't know how to clean up these agencies. Even presidents have been powerless in this regard.
"You can't go into an agency with 30,000 or 60,000 employees and fix it overnight unless you know exactly where the problem is," Kennedy says. "So, they appoint a guy to run that agency who's usually from the industry … And that guy doesn't know how to fix it either. So, he relies on the department heads and the branch heads within that agency, and they're all corrupt and have been there 50 years, like Fauci …
Some of the politicians are even worse. They just get co-opted. They're taking money from the industry and become slaves to the congressional committee chairs who are all on the take … I feel I can fix this problem like nobody else can, because I know how these agencies work.
I know the individuals in these agencies who need to be moved to Nome, Alaska, and the ones who have been doing favors, who are in the tank with the industry. I know the databases that we need to open and make public so that the independent scientists can do their jobs.
I know how to stop the corruption in the universities by telling the universities you're not getting money anymore to do these phony pharmaceutical industry studies, or oil industry studies.
I know how to send my attorney general after the journals like the Lancet and The New England Journal of Medicine and sue them for racketeering, saying, 'You are not telling the truth. You're claiming to tell the truth to people about medicine, but you guys admit it's not the truth. It's pharmaceutical industry propaganda.'
All these agencies have that same kind of structure, and I've spent 40 years suing them. I've spent 20 years suing the United States Department of Agriculture for doing favors for Smithfield Foods, Tyson Food, Bo Pilgrim, Cargill and Monsanto. It's a captive agency …
I feel like I should do this, and that it will give me a chance to talk to the American people. If people want to hear the truth, I'll win. If they want business as usual, then I won't. But for me it's irrelevant. I'm going to fight as hard as I can to win. But my only real concern is to leave this process with my integrity intact and my family.
If I can protect my family and have my integrity, then I've done what I'm supposed to do. If I didn't do this, I would feel like it was an opportunity that I had missed. I might, if I can win, change things. And I know how to change things probably better than any politician who has run in the last 20 years …
A lot of the changes that I could make are changes that I wouldn't need Congress for — how to restructure the agencies, including the intelligence agencies, so that they begin to work for the American people and for actual national security rather than what they've been doing.
My father had a plan for reorganizing the CIA that I think is still relevant today … The problem is the espionage aspect of the CIA … [It should be] information gathering and analysis to the president to make better decisions, but that's not what the agency ended up doing …
It has nothing in its charter that it would allow it to do paramilitary operations to fix elections, assassinate leaders, kidnap, kill people, torture people. None of that was part of its initial mission.
[Allen] Dulles [the founding director of the CIA] snuck that in through generous interpretations of some of the charter provisions. And then what happened, the plans division, which is the dirty tricks division, became the tail that was wagging the espionage dog.
And the espionage function of CIA, it should be oversight of the plans division. They should be antagonistic towards each other … The problem with the CIA is it has never learned from mistakes. It never does, because there's never any accountability … Patriotism means a faithfulness to the United States Constitution above all. Above all. And if you don't know that, you shouldn't be in government."
How You Can Support Kennedy's Presidential Bid
If you want to support Kennedy in his bid for president of the United States, be sure to visit TeamKennedy.com. For updates on the litigation Kennedy is involved in, sign up for the CDH newsletter, The Defender, on Childrenshealthdefense.org.
Think Globally, Act Locally
National vaccine policy recommendations in the U.S. are made at the federal level but vaccine laws are made at the state level. It is at the state level where your action to protect your vaccine choice rights can have the greatest impact.
It is critical for EVERYONE to get involved now in standing up for the legal right to make voluntary vaccine choices in America because those choices are being seriously threatened.
Not only are lobbyists representing drug companies, medical trade associations and public health officials trying to persuade legislators to strip all vaccine exemptions from public health laws, but global political operatives lobbying the United Nations and World Health Organization are determined to take away the human right to autonomy and protection of bodily integrity.
We must take action to defend our constitutional republic and civil liberties, including the right to autonomy, in America. That includes reforming oppressive mandatory vaccination laws and stopping the digital health ID that will make vaccine passports a reality for us, our children and grandchildren if we don’t take action today.
Signing up to use the free online Advocacy Portal sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center at www.NVICAdvocacy.org gives you immediate, easy access to your own state and federal legislators on your smartphone or computer so you can make your voice heard.
NVIC will keep you up to date on the latest bills threatening to eliminate — or expand — your legal right to make vaccine choices and give you guidance about what you can do to support or oppose those bills. So, please, as your first step, sign up for the NVIC Advocacy Portal.
Share Your Story With Your Legislators and People You Know
If you or a family member has suffered a serious vaccine reaction, injury or death, please talk about it. If we don't share information and experiences with one another, everybody feels alone and afraid to speak up.
If you want to protect your legal right to say “no” to vaccines you do not believe are safe or effective, make an appointment to personally talk with someone you have elected to office at the local, state and federal level or write a letter in your own words stating your concerns.
Attend school board and city council and town hall meetings in your community that will impact your right to know and freedom to make decisions about how you or your children will live and stay healthy. If you have a different perspective on a story about vaccination that appears in your local newspaper, write a letter to the editor.
I must be frank with you: You have to be brave because there is a lot of censorship of conversations that challenge “official” narratives about vaccination. You likely will be strongly criticized for daring to talk about the "other side" of the vaccine story and for defending your informed consent rights. Be prepared for it and have the courage to stand your ground.
Only by sharing our perspective and what we know to be true will the public conversation about vaccination open up so people are not afraid to talk about it.
While our rights are being threatened, the vaccine injured are being swept under the carpet and treated like nothing more than statistically acceptable “collateral damage" of one-size-fits-all mandatory vaccination laws. Way too many people are being put at risk for injury and death and there is nothing scientific or moral about that. We should not be treating human beings like guinea pigs.
Internet Resources Where You Can Learn More
I encourage you to visit the four websites of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), at www.NVIC.org, a nonprofit charity that has been educating the public about the need to prevent vaccine injuries and deaths since 1982. The information you get on their websites is fully referenced and will help you become an effective vaccine choice advocate in your community:
NVIC.org — This website was established in 1995 and is the oldest and largest consumer operated website publishing information on diseases and vaccines on the internet. Learn about vaccine reactions, injuries and deaths and the history and current status of vaccine science, policy, law and ethics in the U.S. on more than 2,000 web pages.
NVICAdvocacy.org — This communications and advocacy network, established in 2010, is your gateway to taking action to protect your right to make vaccine choices where you live.
TheVaccineReaction.org — This weekly journal newspaper published by NVIC since 2015 is dedicated to encouraging an “enlightened conversation about vaccination, health and autonomy.”
MedAlerts.org — This is a user-friendly search engine for the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) established under the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and sponsored by NVIC since 2006. Search for descriptions of vaccine injuries and deaths reported to VAERS on this popular website.
Find A Doctor Who Will Listen and Care
If your doctor or pediatrician refuses to provide medical care to you or your child unless you agree to get vaccines you don't want, I strongly encourage you to have the courage to find another doctor. Harassment, coercion and refusal to provide medical care to someone declining one or more doses of government recommended vaccines is a violation of the informed consent ethic.
Unfortunately, it is becoming routine among members of the medical establishment to be reluctant to share vaccine decision-making power with patients and parents of minor children, especially during the aggressive push for all Americans to get COVID shots.
There are doctors out there who respect the precautionary and informed consent principles, so take the time to locate a doctor who treats you with compassion and is willing to listen and respect the health care choices you make for yourself or your child.
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